an IM conversation with Janne

Last night (technically early this morning) Janne and I had a fairly lengthy IM conversation. I told him about what happened with Messengers, about my feelings for Dave, and Lotis wanting to 'create some space', and he agrees it was stupid of them to exclude me over an overblown misunderstanding. Janne gave me further assurance that I have the right to tell them to fuck off, though I highly doubt I'd actually say that to Dave (maybe Lotis). Janne unknowingly agrees with Doc Sig that if they don't want me around it's their problem, and that outside of the initial incident (the collectings in a shoebox) I have nothing personally to apologize for.

So at last count it's me, my dad, Doc Sig, and now Janne on one side of the opinion and Lotis and Dave on the other side, essentially 2 to 1 (though if it were brought to the attention of the church elders I'm sure we would then be grossly outnumbered).

This led to us talking a little about religion (he's an atheist), the theory of evolution vs. a belief in God, the difference of it being stated as fact when it's a belief. As he put it, big issues. But it was a good conversation. Other than some basic stuff like what he does for a living and some of his likes and dislikes (music, books, etc.) I don't know much about him as a person, the inside of him that makes him tick. But then it's hard to do that when talking through a computer and not face-to-face.